Jared Tangir (00:01.4)
What’s up everybody? Welcome back to Elevated Trade Secrets, the podcast for home service and trade business owners who are serious about building something real. I’m your host, Jared Tangir, and today I’ve got Brandon Serpa from Vandy’s Heating and Air joining me. So let’s get into it. Brandon, why don’t you tell me a little bit about your background, your history. Start shortly after you were born until today.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (00:23.644)
Cool. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. So just to start off, I’m not the owner of Vandy’s Heating and Air. I’m just a tech. And one special skill set that I have is marketing. So before I became a tech, I owned a agency that marketed for HVAC companies called Rapid Media Co. And I only knew everything about HVAC from the marketing perspective. So I didn’t know how long a maintenance took. I didn’t know how to, you know,
breakdown problems to a customer so that they can go ahead and give us money. I didn’t know anything about that. So the field, didn’t know anything about it.
Two years ago, I came, one of my clients offered me a spot at his shop to teach me HVAC. He liked that I could sell, he liked that I could market, he liked my work ethic, which are a few things you can’t train. You can train HVAC though. So one of my goal is to show people, a lot of owners, that you can get someone that’s green and train them up to whatever specific skill you need in your business to scale and your business.
So anyways, move me down here to Coleman, Alabama and then partnership went stale six months in. Nothing crazy, just I wanted to make more money and I decided, hey, I know I can market the crap out of HVAC company. I need to be in a role where I can be like a CMO. So that’s where I came to Vandy’s of a week of not being employed. I’m like, yo, I’ve owned a business before. I’ve been in an HVAC shop. I know what you got to do. I’m still really green.
at diagnosing and stuff like that, but I’m willing to go out install units diagnose. But my main goal is to be your CMO. So we’re at three trucks. I want to get us to 10. We’re making good strides to get there, but that’s a small summary of who I am and what I do. So right now I’m tech, but just throw CMO in there just to manifest it.
Jared Tangir (02:21.602)
Hey man, I love it, I love it. So are you on the sales side of it too? Are you going out and doing comfort advising, installation quotes, the whole nine? Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (02:30.972)
Doing it all, yeah, so I just ran, we just ran a March Bandits special mini split campaign. We’re here in Alabama, homeowners get an $800 rebate. So it’s a check in the mail that they get on it. And then we, on top, we slap that with another $300 rebate for air sealing. So we air seal their home. So.
We usually sell mini splits for 4,300. We sell Senneville brand, 9K and 12K BTU units, just garages, easy installs, too crazy. So we did a Facebook ads campaign on that. spent 300. We got 15 leads out of that, closed one deal, following up on others. But 300 into 3,300 gross seems like a winner to me. So I went out, I marketed the campaign, talked to the lead.
sold the unit, installed the unit. So I’m doing all. Yeah. I ran it all. Like I’m not joking. Like I’m I’m I want to know every aspect of the business so we can effectively grow this that way. We’re not spending, you know, telling ads and that, you know, our three trucks can’t handle all that workload. I’ve heard plenty of contractors were like, dial back to spend, dude, we’re too busy. And I’m like, that’s the worst thing you want to do.
Jared Tangir (03:27.308)
end to end. Did you run the campaign too?
Jared Tangir (03:44.888)
Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (03:51.452)
Because you’re training meta. It’s like a dog, right? If you give it a treat when it does something good, well, now it knows positive behavior. If you give it a negative signal, like a spanking, right? You turn off your ads, that’s a negative signal. You don’t want to do that. You don’t want to do any negative signal. a lot of people here, a lot of contractors tell their agencies, lower the spend, up the spend. Where am I leaving? Yeah, you can’t
Jared Tangir (04:18.222)
where they think it’s a falset, right? You just turn it on and turn it off, right? But it’s really not the case. need, and as soon as you pause a campaign, when you reactivate it, has to go through the learning process again, right? So it’s, you’re better off just committing to it is really where…
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (04:33.34)
And that’s the hard thing that a lot of HVAC contractors have is to seasonable. So I resonate with them too. Like, yeah, don’t run ads in the wintertime, but there’s other types of stuff you can run in the wintertime to get deals coming in and stuff like that. So I’m big on retargeting. I love retargeting our current database. If they have touched our Instagram, Facebook, website, they’re going to get hit with our ads no matter what. So yeah, I mean, that’s what I’m doing. Like today I did two maintenances.
I’m gonna go check someone’s pressures after this and then I’m finish off my day with another maintenance there.
Jared Tangir (05:09.954)
Thank you for squeezing us in. I’d love to dive a little bit more. You have a very unique perspective where you transition from generating leads to closing the leads. What takeaways, what can you share with everybody about what actually, you probably have the best insight on what a good quality lead looks like.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (05:27.588)
Yeah, I’ll do my core three. So lead qualification and fast follow up and then meeting the lead where they need to be. So what does that mean? So lead qualification. When you’re generating leads, typically you’re asking for the name, email and address. Well, that’s fine, but
If you’ve ran meta ads before you know that let’s say you’re in North Alabama, right? So we can go an hour anywhere and we’ll be fine But if I get a lead that’s out in like Birmingham, which is 90 minutes out like I don’t want that lead I’m not gonna go out there to do a free estimate or anything like that. I just not worth especially with gas right now Are you kidding me? I’m not doing so so One one question you want to add
Jared Tangir (06:08.312)
Yeah, right.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (06:14.452)
And this is an ad quality. It’s going to help your campaign a lot if you’re running ads. And it’s going to help the sales team and everyone. Is if you ask, do you currently live in X county? So if you work in a county or conglomerate of counties, just say, do you live there? If they say yes, great. They get to the next phase and we send that data to Metta. If they say no, well, Metta will just cancel out that lead and not send that data back.
meta-optimizes on the signal you send to it. So if it wants to get you leads, so if it sees all these people from a county 90 minutes out are filling it out and it’s not getting you leads, they’re going to stop serving those ads to those people and they’re going to serve ads to only people in your county, right? So that’s the first step. Making sure that you’re actually generating quality leads by asking the right questions. Don’t ask, can you spend 12K on a unit, right? You’re going to scare all your leads away.
There’s other stuff like, you okay with our team doing a full diagnostic of your system? Meaning checking the air handler, making sure the drain lines are in clogged, checking the capacitor, checking the contactor, like everything, right? And if they say no, that’s probably not a lead you want, because they’re gonna, when you do go out there and you say, hey, I checked your air handler, you have microbial growth, they’re gonna say, well, why were you looking at that stuff? They’re gonna make it feel like you’re looking for problems, right? So.
Ask questions. That’s the first thing. The next fast follow up. Super easy. I take my phone here. I took a picture of the sign behind me like this, like a thumbs up. I was in Oregon a week ago. That’s where I’m from, Oregon. Running this Facebook ads campaign and a lead came in. And yeah, you can have a CRM and stuff, but I have a 541 number. The area code here is 256. I don’t really care.
I texted them a picture of myself selfie I took a week ago or prior to that exchange. Hey, this is Brandon Vandy’s saw that you’re just in a mini split. What room are you trying to cool? That’s it. That’s all I said. What room are you trying to cool? Yeah. And they said, Oh, I’m trying to cool my garage. Great. How big is your garage? Question mark. And then the secret there is I, I followed up within five minutes. You got to do that. If you follow up within five minutes, uh, your, chances increase and then
Jared Tangir (08:18.007)
Qualifying, right?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (08:35.492)
The second thing is I’m still following up with the leads to this day. Still calling, I’m still texting them. There’s one person that’s convinced they just need to clean their mini split so it can cool better. It’s a 12-year-old mini split. It’s gone. They’re done. But I’m still going to follow up, right? I’m just letting you know that means it’s more profit from our ads that we’ve been running. Yeah.
Jared Tangir (08:47.053)
Yeah, it’s gone. They’re done. Yeah, it’s gone. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
Jared Tangir (08:58.317)
So let’s take the follow-up and the speed to lead follow-up a little bit deeper. Why not automate that? Or have you tested that? Because you can send that photo and that initial question.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (09:09.18)
I want be completely honest. My boss has tasked me to do marketing tasks that cost zero dollars. He doesn’t want to anything on marketing. So we could automate it. And you absolutely could. But what happens when that, you know, I did it for my heck I did it for my agency clients when I had it, you know, 12 follow ups. And if you we’ve seen recently with AI conversation bots.
Jared Tangir (09:17.421)
god. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah.
Jared Tangir (09:29.697)
Yep.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (09:38.351)
If the AI conversation bot pushes for a schedule, it’s more successful than having pre-scripted follow-ups on like a go high level or something like that. So also I like personal touch. So if a lead tech be back, I’m gonna call them right away, right? I just like, yep. And the downside is a lot of techs, a lot of business owners, they’re so busy. But for me, I’m gonna stop whatever I’m doing.
Jared Tangir (09:54.486)
Yeah!
Jared Tangir (10:01.102)
correct.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (10:04.988)
to get that lead, because I know it’ll lead to $3,000, $5,000. I I sold two Reme Halos just texting off that, texting a lead. it’s just texting. And it was at 9 at night. I still called. My wife gets it now. She’s been with me for 10 years. You know, if I’m taking a call at 10 o’clock, it’s a sales call. She doesn’t get mad anymore. She’s like, why are you always working? Well, I’m trying to.
Jared Tangir (10:27.021)
Right.
Jared Tangir (10:30.766)
correct.
Right.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (10:34.812)
I’m trying to set us up for successful. So you can definitely automate follow-ups. I recommend training your training and AI bot, which if you don’t know how to do that, it’s totally fine. Go high level as a form and you can create a little bot in there and tell it all your core values. If you have core values in your company, which you should absolutely have core values in your company, say this is our prices for this. This is our process for scheduling a call. And then the little AI bot can go ahead and push for the schedule.
schedule call on a house call pro link or service title link or whatever booking link you have.
Jared Tangir (11:09.954)
That’s awesome. Well, this is a great transition into implementing AI for home services, for HVAC, for plumbing, for electrical. It sounds like you have some experience with that. We have some experience with that. So what ways are you using it? Or do you feel like it’s best used? And what areas should people avoid it?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (11:28.7)
The best use case we’ve had so far with AI from a tech perspective, like service tech, is making sure we’re busy during the slow season. So in Alabama, a nice 60, 70 won’t get the phones ringing, but what does get it ringing is having our AI agent, Vanessa, text all our existing customers that are not on a service plan. So excluding the database.
So on House Call Pro, can segment all your data of people who are not on the service plan that way. If they are on the service plan, they don’t get a text and they’re like, well, I thought I was on it, right? And then you have to deal with that. Yeah, so, and it’s Vanessa. And then you have just three follow-ups. Hey, it’s maintenance season. You don’t wanna be stuck out in the summer being hot, right? Schedule maintenance today. And then it’s literally just a booking link with…
Jared Tangir (12:05.568)
Yeah, that’s the worst thing that could happen.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (12:26.382)
with our house call pro to schedule a biennial maintenance. And it’s been good because we’ve been able to keep our three techs, including myself, busy. each one of us this week, we’ve had three calls consistently. If not more. So I did five yesterday, but AI. Everyone this week and last week, I think minus like a Thursday, one of them had like one call, but I’ve had I’ve had three calls.
Jared Tangir (12:43.064)
So three a day, every day this week.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (12:56.252)
Our star tech who’s like, you know, he can fix anything by just by looking at it He’s had he’s been doing more service calls, but he’s also been doing maintenance is to keep him busy and then our other installer who also does Maintenances as well. We’ve been keeping him busy as well all because AI is automatically reaching out to these people and Saying our existing customer base. We’re not getting new leads or anything saying hey, we have a maintenance plan
Jared Tangir (13:04.034)
Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (13:22.746)
You don’t want to be stuck in the summer, right? So that is a little bit of marketing psychology. People have been stuck in the summer before when their AC is not working. It sucks. They don’t want to do it again. So just remind them about it and then just schedule them right there. And then my biggest tip on a business owner’s perspective is don’t focus on that exact KPI of how many people filled out this form because I guarantee you a lot of people forgot about our company.
looked us up on the internet on Google or something, and then they filled out the maintenance plan. Cause I got like five bookings on our website for a maintenance plan that wasn’t tracked from the text SMS campaign. So as a business owner, look at the overall revenue and how the machine’s operating, not just that one key metric, cause as techs and everything, know, and being a diagnosing, you know.
and then being a business owner, you wanna see that one key thing that’s making everything run. Just take a step back, be a business owner, look at how the overall business and the schedule is looking after you do one, like that’s one level we pulled right there. And then your other question was like how not to use AI.
Jared Tangir (14:32.908)
Yep, sometimes that’s all it takes.
Jared Tangir (14:40.013)
Yep.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (14:41.104)
Yeah, just don’t be sloppy and bland. It kind of irks me. Great, use AI. But I see people use ChatGPT to write all their copy. And there’s obviously errors in it. It’ll say free tune up. And I’m like, I know you charge $50 per tune up. Like, it’s not a free tune up.
Jared Tangir (15:02.542)
It contradicts itself like right at the top it says $49 AC tune-ups, but then in the copy they’re saying free
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (15:10.916)
Yeah, I’ve been in rooms where people, they will go on ChatGPT, right? Because I used to work with lot of business owners. So I saw it, right? Been in rooms, ChatGPT, copy paste, throw it on a Facebook ad campaign, didn’t read it. I was like, you’re paying, one, meta reads all that. So whatever, like you really got to pay attention to what you’re telling meta on who you’re trying to target. Two,
Come on, let’s be marketers. Like I’m just big on marketing. So I actually like, study copywriting and I’m like, that’s not gonna work. Hey, and sometimes it does work, but that’s just something that irks me. Stop being a bland generic, like actually put work into what you’re gonna put out there. Because immediately when it comes to like, like text campaigns, email campaigns, stuff like that, don’t, you gotta put, some people like let ChatGPT do the thinking for them. We’re the brains. We gotta prompt ChatGPT and make sure like, hey, this is what we want.
then your outcome’s gonna be way better than just a copy and paste prompt from ChatGPT.
Jared Tangir (16:14.603)
Yeah, 100%. I feel like AI can’t replace a human, right? Any human element of a business, you should not be looking for AI to replace that. I mean, maybe a call answer, like an AI answering service for 24, know, after hours calls if you don’t have a call center.
One of the ways we’re using it is for online instant estimates. So you know from your marketing days, anytime you’re paying for an ad or getting traffic to your website, you need to convert every single visitor. So you need to give them every single option to convert. So one of the things that we’ve been testing is the customer types in a short description of their problem, whether it’s an indoor unit, outdoor unit not working, their furnace isn’t firing, whatever it could be.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (16:43.622)
course.
Jared Tangir (17:01.167)
They give their zip code, name, email, phone, and the AI spits out a range, 800 to 1500 or whatever, and then goes to the, it would go to a sales tech like you, and you would call instantly. Just the lead, I think AI can help with lead capture, right, but I don’t think it’s not doing much on the sales side, aside from automated follow-ups.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (17:09.542)
Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (17:22.588)
Yeah, I agree. Everything you can do to make it easier for the customer. And if that means using AI to make it easier for them to get the service they want like pricing, it’s fine. And like I do want to talk about pricing. My videos, my videos where I talk about pricing blow up. So on Instagram, TikTok, I don’t know what it is about the HVAC industry, but everyone’s always so scared to talk about pricing. If you go to our website, I have articles, tons of articles, all written by AI. But with
Jared Tangir (17:36.235)
yeah, let’s dive into it.
Jared Tangir (17:51.639)
Hahaha!
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (17:52.413)
with our SOPs and our pricing from House Call Pro, like it says, like at average motor repair between,
800 for basic motor $800 $1300 right I’m giving a price range I’m not saying like oh you know it’s gonna be this exact price like customers just want to know what they’re getting themselves into before they start like looking right so for me and my like on our website like we have our pricing there customers can look at it and be like I’m not calling these guys they’re too much and that’s fine you know it saves us time because now we don’t have to go out there and have to like fight them or just you know
Jared Tangir (18:21.783)
That’s fine.
Jared Tangir (18:27.543)
convince them that it’s worth the investment.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (18:30.148)
We can go to the customers that know.
what our prices are, they respect our work. They like that we’re a local owned company, not private equity. They like that we’re veteran owned. They like that our team actually diagnoses. So on like social media, when I put pricing out there that I charge, you know, 850 for a bulb or, you know, 2300 for Reme Halo LED, like I put everything out there. And I think that’s something that a lot of contractors are going to need to do, especially more that, you know, millennials and like, like millennials and then Gen Z’s, they’re going to
start having to have HVAC problems with these houses are buying. I know everyone’s saying they’re not buying them. Small markets, they’re buying them, right? I’m looking for a house, right? They’re good. They still need like, like every house has a unit. So someone’s going to be in there looking for you. You want to make sure you have different ways to make different types of customers happy, which is why AI is perfect for that.
Jared Tangir (19:16.087)
Yeah.
Jared Tangir (19:25.003)
And price transparency also accelerates a home service business’s visibility in large language models. So these young generations, they’re gonna be the first ones to adopt ChatGPT to replace Google as their primary area. And what do you think the first thing they’re gonna search for is? How much does it cost to get my AC replaced? How much does it cost for indoor air quality?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (19:30.997)
yeah.
Jared Tangir (19:46.559)
services, whatever they’re looking for, right? They’re going to chat GBT. And if you have price transparency in your local market, you’re going to win that citation.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (19:55.707)
No, that’s big on that. Know your market because we’re in Huntsville, Alabama. So there’s a lot of rocket scientists here, a lot of really smart mechanical people. They do it in front of me. I go, hey, this is the issue. And it be this much. They use Gemini a lot because they probably use Google and they work wherever they work. use Gemini, type it in, and they look at it and they’re like, okay, we can move forward with the pair. Like these customers are using AI to confirm what the tech’s saying.
like even two years ago, yeah, like whatever the tech says, they’re the professional, they’re pro, but now the tech has to be aligned. Like they don’t have to be aligned with Chachi BT, but Chachi BT has to be aligned with the tech to make sure like everyone’s spot on. And I had this homeowner and he’s like, yeah, Chachi BT told me that, you know, my compressor was going out and these other three companies were trying to sell me a new unit.
The thermostat wasn’t calling for a compressor to turn on. And I was like, yeah, you have zero voltage between the common and your yellow wire right here. Why? There needs to be a connection there. And then I went over to his GUI. He was right there. He’s just one of those customers that was hovering. And I was like, look, you have a connection at your thermostat. You have a connection calling for your fan. That’s why your fan’s coming on. But even though on your thermostat, when you press it to go cool, it’s not calling for this to turn on.
So he just needed a new thermostat and that fixed it there. But a company came there, sold him a new board, sold him a new contactor, and that might have fixed those issues, but it certainly didn’t fix the issue he wanted it, which is to have a working unit. And then he had two other companies, Private Equity, they like, yeah, you need a new unit. And I’m like, I was like, is diagnosing dying? It’s like…
Jared Tangir (21:39.309)
That’s all they’re pushing.
Bye.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (21:43.805)
And then that’s another topic that helps me blow up on social media saying that diagnosing is dying. I think it is because on my comments, everyone’s like, just sell them a new unit. It’s a TXV. And it could be joking. I get the jokes. But I was like, no, you actually got to learn how to diagnose. Because if you can’t, a customer is just going to call a company like us. We’re going come and actually diagnose it. our customers are our customer.
So that’s another thing, make sure you’re training your friends. Yeah.
Jared Tangir (22:13.293)
True, yeah, and they’re your customer for life, right? It’s not just, they didn’t just lose a couple, like, they might have been able to sell a 10K, 15K install, right, one time, but if somebody else comes in and repairs, they’re never gonna call that company again. If they come and get a quote, Brandon comes out and says, no, I can repair this. We can just repair this for 800 bucks. When they need a new unit in five years, who are they gonna call, right, when their unit is beyond repair, right? So it’s…
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (22:36.617)
yeah.
Jared Tangir (22:39.903)
It’s being short-sighted versus having long-term vision.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (22:44.22)
Correct. 100 % man. It was just cool. It was cool to see that yesterday. It was yesterday. Like I literally just posted about it and he was like, yeah, we thought we had to pay $6,000 but now we just have to pay like $500 for the thermostat. And I’m like, like what are you gonna do with the extra money? He’s like, well now we can actually like go to the beach. Like we’ve got our tax return and we’re gonna use that money to go to the beach. And I’m like, great. Like this family gets to go. Like I look too deep into it, right? I’m also like, remember guys, I’m marketer. Like this family.
Because they called us, they are able to now enjoy not only their home being colder, right? Or removing heat, whatever you guys want to say. But now they also get to go to the freaking beach, family vacation, make memories because an HVAC company didn’t go there and try to push a unit and oversell it. Like, we’re the hero, right? And like, that’s what I like. Some guys are gonna say like, you totally lost opportunity to sell a compressor for five or four or a little bit lower. I don’t care. These guys are having a good…
Jared Tangir (23:21.366)
Anyway…
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (23:42.938)
Good time. Our company looks good. We’ve got a banger testimonial. I’ll take it.
Jared Tangir (23:47.853)
Yeah, the review is worth more than the install sometimes.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (23:50.941)
Well, I got them on video saying these like I if you’re watching this and you’re a business owner and your your text my age 20 25 to 30, do you just have them get pictures of smiling customers have them get video testimonials this they’re on their phone on tik tok anyways, may have a make content. It’s probably not part of the job. Give them an extra dollar or something for a review. So I don’t know. I think if I think more organizations need to start having their techs
make content but that’s just me because I know a lot you won’t do that but
Jared Tangir (24:23.51)
I mean, incentivize it. We incentivize our team. mean, like, my account managers know if they get a video testimonial from one of our clients, they get $100, right? Every time, right? And we’re not serving as many customers as an HVAC company is, but why? Your techs care about money. They want to bring a little extra home, right? Maybe they can use their video testimonial money to take their family to the beach.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (24:34.886)
Boom, there.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (24:53.084)
100%.
Jared Tangir (24:53.3)
Right? anybody can fake a written testimonial, right? But you can’t fake a video testimonial, at least not yet. Back to the AI conversation, it’ll get there.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (25:00.656)
I want.
Yeah, okay, that’s getting there, that’s really close.
Jared Tangir (25:06.494)
Yeah, I know we’re approaching time, I wanted to talk, you mentioned your age, right? Late 20s, right? 26. So you’ve been through a lot, you’ve seen a lot, you tried marketing, now you’re in the tech and sales side of the industry.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (25:15.984)
Yeah, 26.
Jared Tangir (25:25.428)
What was that transition like? Where do you think you’re gonna, I know you wanna become the CMO and get back into the marketing side, but know, Gen Z and the trades, it’s not really like as prominent, as popular as it used to be, right? All of our parents and the baby boomers, they’re gonna be aging out, right? They’re gonna be, and we’re gonna end up having a shortage of home service techs. That’s HVAC, that’s plumbing, that’s electrical, right? And that’s gonna cause the
cost to rise for homeowners. So how do you think young HVAC techs or know young young guys young girls that want to get into the trades how should they go about it?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (26:05.468)
So I’m bought, so here’s how I got into the trade. A guy like my skills and he goes, come out train you and he trade me and then he put me through a program called like be trained, which is like a little trade school. It’s in a, it’s out here in Huntsville and I’m not knocking it, but like I learned more by just doing the actual job. I think everyone’s gonna learn more that way because you know, it was between six.
And nine at night, I was really tired of doing job. And I was like, ah, this is, I’m so tired. And then we’re looking at books and then we’re like theory and then like heat transfer and how to do like all this fun stuff, which is great. I, I allowed me, I have my state Alabama license. I did HVAC for 16 weeks. I have a state freaking license. I can open up a shop. That should not be legal. Just saying that. So, you know, don’t revoke my license. I like it that I have, but I like there’s guys out there that I’ve done HVAC for five years.
Jared Tangir (26:53.856)
Bye.
Okay.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (27:02.15)
they don’t have their state license, right? So I’m just being very clear with kind of like, my journey is very unique, but if I were to do it all over again and trying to get into the trade, the first thing off is like, what’s the potential, right? Like people my age, they just wanna make more money right now. They just wanna make more money. I think a lot of us are like, hey, like we can’t save our way to being successful.
So at the end of the day, like, just tell me flat out how I’m gonna be making it, right? So on average, you’re gonna be making like 45K, 50K, lower end 30K, higher K, 60K, starting out into HVAC, right? There’s apprenticeships which you can go to but are hard because if you have a job and anything like that, you know, you may not be able to do it or pay for it. You can’t quit work, right? If you have bills and stuff and then go do an apprenticeship, like that’s gonna suck. I’m a big proponent of course careers. I’m an affiliate.
So I’m shouting him out here, but it’s a training program. It’s 500 bucks a month. or I don’t know, Mr. Distazio, does that ring a bell to you? Okay. He had this big shop and now he turns out the big shops. And now he has this online training program where a tech can go through everything and learn the fundamentals of HVAC, but it doesn’t teach you hands-on training. I go through it. If I have a question on a diagnosis,
Jared Tangir (28:12.072)
No, I’m not familiar.
Jared Tangir (28:26.197)
Of course.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (28:30.692)
I go through it, I look at the video and I’m like, I forgot this. When I go do installs, it’s a good brush up to make sure like, okay, I gotta make sure I’m doing my install properly right way, you know, and then I check back with my code books here to make sure it’s all up to code. So I use course careers, right? If you are a HVAC owner and you wanna get more people hired that actually know what they’re doing, say, hey,
you know, like be forecast, right? So it’s January, it’s February, it’s March. You know you’re gonna need extra labor summertime. Go find those green people that don’t know anything and be like, hey, like let’s say they apply and they don’t know anything. You go, cool, I need you to go invest in this course, it’s $500. And if they invest in it and they learn, it’s probably a good chance that they’re gonna be a good employee from you, because they use their own money. They’re being.
self dependent and they’re investing in themselves. And it’s hard to tell like, if like, who is it? think MLM companies do it all the time. Like buy your own product. then like, it’s not taboo, right? To do that. As a business owner, if you want to get more. Yeah.
Jared Tangir (29:37.078)
Yep.
Jared Tangir (29:42.422)
Well, it makes sure that they show commitment, right? That’s part one. They’re committed to what they said. They’re not just looking for any job.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (29:48.945)
And then again, like you want to find the people that have a good work ethic. Like there’s a lot of Gen Z’s out there that don’t have a good work ethic. I’ll say it. Like we don’t have the strongest work ethic. want to, we want to, we want to do the bare minimum. Why get paid the most? Like that’s just kind of what it is. Like I’m just saying how it is. Not everyone, but most of what I see, I, I worked with people, we got paid the same and I was doing 10 times more than them. They’re doing the bare minimum because we got paid the same as the minimum wage job. I’ve been there.
Jared Tangir (30:05.996)
I
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (30:17.486)
I’m just the type of person that always does as much work as I can. So.
Jared Tangir (30:21.61)
I love that idea of having, know, when you’re trying to vet new employees, qualify them, make sure they’re not gonna waste your time, make them invest or request that they invest their own money into the training program. But they could stay, as a business owner, you could take that a step further. You could say after 12 months of employment, I’ll refund you that. Right, it’s not time, but it’s like a $500 bonus.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (30:39.548)
Yeah, it’s $500. It’s it’s it’s you can finance it for 12 months with no interest. It’s I don’t know what the math is right there, but it’s less than $100 a month. And then once they pass the course, say look, I’ll employ you, I’ll pay you this salary or the not salary, this, you know, hourly wage here. And if you want to go like go shadow calls with someone for like a week or two,
Jared Tangir (30:48.926)
Okay. Yeah. Right.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (31:09.722)
And then if you have a truck, send them out. And if you’re a business owner, expect this. If you actually do this, expect this. Your phone’s gonna be ringing. Cause my first three weeks, every call I went to, I go, okay, I got, I got, you know, I was on my, on the phone with, the guy that sent me out here. I’m like, okay, I got power in the contactor, but it’s not pulling in. He’s like, okay, do you have power at the thermostat wire? And I was like, no. And he’s like, why not? And I’m like, because
And I like, think, I’m like, cause the board’s bad. He goes, no, did you check the safety switch? I’m like, no, I didn’t check that. He goes, well, go check the flow switch real quick. So I’d go and I’m like, there’s water in the pan. What do I do next? He goes, well, do you have a vacuum pump? And I’m like, I do, I do have a vacuum. He goes, take all the water out, let the come owner know, drains our clogs, them on a maintenance. Great. So if you are gonna do that route where you are trying to invest in someone that’s green and you’re trying to get them to invest in themselves, get ready for a crap ton of phone calls.
Because heck, I even do it with Vandy still to this day. I’ve been doing this for 18 months. Sometimes there’s calls where I’m like, I don’t know, I don’t know. I’m just, I’m not perfect at this. So I’m gonna call him and you just have to have grace with the newbies. But if you truly want, cause like Vandy’s investing in me by, like he allowed me to work here. And for me as an employee, I’m like, okay, he knows I’m not the best tech, but he knows I have marketing material. So he invested in me, right?
I got paid and now he showed me my incentives. What do I need to sell to make extra money? Right. He was very clear about it. Like I get $40 per maintenance. get $120 today. I did three maintenance is $120 extra. I like that. I, I make, I like eating expensive food. like sushi. I like a Bachi. I’m like a, I’m a fat ass bro. I love eating. You gotta be super clear cause there’s, there’s some shops where they hire someone, put them in a truck.
go fix that thing and then they’re mad when they leave four weeks later or six weeks or three months later. The churn is really high. Churn is turnaround time between employee or client or stuff like that. So if you want to get someone knowledgeable, see if they invest in themselves first. It’ll tell you really who they really are. And if they really want it, they’ll find the money. When you really want something, you’re going to find the money. And especially if you can finance it.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (33:34.428)
You don’t have to use Course Careers, but there’s other programs out there. Maybe you used one of you were getting better like in the field use that like whatever it is, but I’m a big proponent Course Careers because they’re my affiliates.
Jared Tangir (33:47.667)
All right, there you go. There’s your plug. There’s your plug for course careers. That’s awesome. Before we wrap up, I know you said you guys are at three techs, right, including you. Yep.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (33:58.373)
Yeah, so it’s James. That’s James, owner right there. And then James, our All-Star Tech. We have Teddy, who’s our installer, who does maintenance as well. And he came from the commercial side. And he’s very knowledgeable about anything. Like, we’ll be installing a unit. he goes, that vent shouldn’t look like that, or like any little thing. So it’s cool to be around these guys that know so much as a young guy, because then I get to learn from these guys too.
And then there’s me, which I do maintenance, diagnosing, run service calls, and then marketing and sales.
Jared Tangir (34:38.112)
Awesome, awesome, and what kind of growth are you guys looking to expect this year?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (34:42.342)
Dude, I don’t know, but I want to get us another guy so I can do more marketing. I don’t want to be out in the field. I told Vandy, no, I told Vandy this. I am not passionate about fixing AC units. I’m not passionate about installing them. I’m passionate about making money. I like business and like money. So I’m very clear about it. Vandy’s like, hey man, like the love of money is like sinful. I understand it. It’s not because I love.
Jared Tangir (34:51.0)
you don’t? Okay.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (35:11.98)
money is because I like the game. like scaling growing businesses. I’ve seen I’ve dude my business partner right now. I know I’m over my time. My business partner right now. He has a shop in Phoenix. Zero zero HVAC knowledge like me. He has 10 installs every week of mini splits because he just knows marketing. He pays his installers 300 a piece per install. I think he sells Mitsubishi units. So it’s like $1,100 for everything. And then he just
Jared Tangir (35:15.744)
Yes.
Jared Tangir (35:30.913)
Yep.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (35:41.573)
He just makes sure the guys have all the tools and everything they need and he’s there to support them and like work with the customers. But he’s, marketing, he’s selling, and then he’s teams doing all the rest of the work. And I’m just, I know so many HVAC companies have been burned by marketing guys and it sucks because a lot of marketing guys, I’m going to say it. Some marketing guys just, they just suck. Like they don’t know what they’re doing. I’ve looked at campaigns and I’m like, why’d you pay this money for this? Like, why are we? Dude.
Jared Tangir (35:57.868)
Yeah, say it.
Jared Tangir (36:06.559)
Well, they suck and they’re criminals, right? Like they’re no different than the companies that are out there just pushing installs when something could be replaced, right? It’s the exact same. They don’t have the business owner’s best interest in mind. They have their own best interest in mind.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (36:15.612)
100%. 100%.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (36:24.006)
But if you, so like my business partner, my old business partner who was at Rapid Media, he spends 8K and he’s getting 10 installs a week, right? So 10 installs a week. He’s got a great ROI, but it’s because him and I have marketing backgrounds and we’re not looking at that one little specific metric from Google or Meta or Snapchat or TikTok. Like whatever we’re pulling out, we’re not looking at one thing. We’re looking at how the whole overall business runs.
Jared Tangir (36:35.403)
Talk about our.
Jared Tangir (36:52.715)
So I think the takeaway from that is if you’re not getting an ROI from your marketing agency, it’s time to find a new one or to bring it in-house.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (37:01.784)
Bring either bring it in a house or have a real talk for with them because they don’t don’t pay attention to clicks Don’t pay attention to views don’t pay attention to like what’s generating the money That’s all you want to pay attention to and if they go it takes time I call bullsh*t because ads like at if you’re running ads as do not take time I have plenty of campaigns right now where we started them up and boom we got leads that like super quick and convert like the mini split that we sold for Facebook ads it was from from
Jared Tangir (37:04.298)
Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (37:31.098)
The day I turned it on to day three, we closed the deal. He was lead number nine.
Jared Tangir (37:35.114)
Yeah, everything you just said is exactly what it’s funny. I speak is exactly what I put in my we have an upcoming webinar on April 7th about how to hold your marketing agency accountable and everything you just said is is part of our ad copy for the webinar, right? It does if you’re just sending if your agency sending them reports with charts and green arrows going up on impressions and clicks and not reporting on actual revenue that they’re extracting from House Call Pro or Service Titan or things like that, then you’re probably being ripped off.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (37:48.539)
Yeah.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (37:59.014)
Yep.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (38:04.092)
If you don’t have a marketing rep that’s up your ass and like saying, we did this, what’s the change here? Or hey, how are sales going this week? Like you probably need a different marketing company and like.
Jared Tangir (38:15.231)
Yeah, or pulling that themselves directly from House Call Pro or Service Titan.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (38:19.132)
Exactly. Cause I’m like with my, I have Facebook ad clients on the side, like, seven, like seven to seven to five. I’m HVAC, Vandy’s five to nine. Me and my AI bots we’re doing apps. Like that’s what I’m doing. Right. Cause I really love marketing. Right. So I’m trying to, that’s my goal trying to just trying to be grow, grow Vandy so that I can have be here all the time in the office, comfy in the office, not outside. and, like
Jared Tangir (38:42.773)
Right.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (38:48.444)
I forgot what my point was, essentially, oh yeah, like being on your ass. Dude, your marketing person, whoever’s handling your account, they need to know everything that way, because I’m both in the business and also I’m out in the field too. So it’s easy for me to do it, but it’s really hard for HVAC owner that maybe has one or two or three employees and then hires a marketing company. And then that marketing company has 12 other
or 15 other companies and maybe the marketing company only has two or three people there. Cause now they’re all now everyone’s all busy, right? Where every human is busy. So maybe they only talk twice a month or once a month. It’s not going to work out. You want someone that’s that’s hitting every metric. So with all my clients at six o’clock, they know they’re getting some sort of update from me every day. And then like it’s it’s automated for me because I use a
I use Manus and Perplexity computer, but they’re getting something for me to check on metrics. And if the metrics are being hit, we have a conversation about it. We don’t get mad at each other. go, hey, this is what we got to do. Meta just had a, Meta just bought Manus AI. Like a really big AI platform. You don’t think the ads are going to be wonky for a few weeks because they just integrated a huge AI platform.
So I got to have a lot of those conversations on that side too, but overall my big three is Burn money on marketing, but make sure you’re making money back fast follow Invest yeah, I just love spending a lot of money on marketing like one of my clients were spending $1,500 a day I’m like I love it, but she’s making it back. She has a 2x ROI So every dollar she gets to back, so I’m a big fan of it
Jared Tangir (40:28.169)
Right, I don’t know if I would call it burn, I would say invest.
Jared Tangir (40:43.625)
Yeah. Right.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (40:45.882)
And then like fast follow-up, exceptional customer service, explaining everything to the customer upfront, lots of pictures, right? Like all these little tips like help me go really well for the customer.
Jared Tangir (41:02.653)
Awesome and well thank you Brandon for joining me today. This was really awesome. I look forward to getting this published. if anybody wants to reach out to you, talk to you, where’s the best way for them to contact you?
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (41:12.572)
Brandon does HVAC on Instagram, on TikTok, on YouTube, and then my Facebook’s Brandon Sirpa. So that’s me there. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Hopefully we can have a follow up more, a longer one where I can go really in depth. Cause I know there’s a lot of shops out there that really want to elevate their marketing, but don’t know exactly what to do or who to trust. Cause it’s so, you know, weasely out there. Yeah.
Jared Tangir (41:21.887)
All right, awesome,
Jared Tangir (41:39.507)
It’s sketchy, yeah. Yeah, it’s sketchy out there. You gotta be really careful about who you trust with your marketing. But yeah, definitely, love to have you back on. Thank you guys for tuning in to Elevated Trade Secrets and we will see you next time.
Brandon Cerpa (Vandy’s) (41:51.591)
See ya, bye bye.